Discussion about merging universes

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Wednesday, November 24th 2010, 11:02am

Hello,

Please use this thread for your questions about this news : Information about merging universes

We (inclusive WeTeHa) give you answers.

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Wednesday, November 24th 2010, 11:41am

hello

an idea of the numbers of Target-Universes ? with 60 Exodus-Universes for example

is there Target-Universes with no ACS and default value (30% cdr , x1 , ...) ?

20,000 possible accounts in Target-Universes ? (cf screen)

Universes x2 and Universes x4 will be concerned ( affected) ??

edit :

it is possible to have an estimate close to 1 month when fusion arrive ?

will be there a beta public to test fusion ? ( Christmas xD )

could you respond to those who have launched a search for 1 year to have a world record and must stop search for fusion ?

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Wednesday, November 24th 2010, 11:47am

We do not know the full details of the universe fusion method GF is developing. They are still in internal testing, which probably means the fusions won't happen for another few months.

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Remember though, at the end of the day it's all just numbers on a server, nothing more, nothing less ;-)

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Wednesday, November 24th 2010, 12:16pm

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Wednesday, November 24th 2010, 12:33pm

The public testserver ( called origin.ogame.org ) goes onlive before christmas. Including the first versions of the uni merging feature and the new noob protection.
With the beginning of the next year the GF will tell you more about the date.

Every player will get a eMail to anncounce this important change and an info box in the game.

The number of Exodus- Universes if NOT fix, depends on the universes and the community.

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Wednesday, November 24th 2010, 12:37pm

Quoted from "icho"

why few months ?

a concurrent game of ogame with only 1 personn in the devellopper team, make a tool in less than one month. this tool import the ogame account in two minutes.

I don't undestand why GF couldn't make this faster. GF have the database, and it exists a lot of tools for sorting database.

Sorry this board is NOT the place to talk in this senseless niveau. A lot of people tell that they can do all those things faster and better - They can do this in their own projects. Please use their boards for those postings.

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Wednesday, November 24th 2010, 1:12pm

What about special unis?
And what about unis that are special only by having different rules?

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Wednesday, November 24th 2010, 1:14pm

Just one question please Francolino

Concerning the Target-universes, are they empty universes or old ones in which players already play.
I mean , as an example:
Let's say uni 1 - 8 exodus universes, and the 9th is the target one : in that case, all gameurs from uni 1 to 9 are going to move to universe 9, therefore this will result in some problems . Players who are already playing in uni 9, have their planets already in position

. Another problem is that uni 9 contains also a lot of inactives players who won't be removed, thus the universe(target) will still contain some inactives players

.
Maybe this means that the target universe will be an empty one .
Just to be sure

Francolino?
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Wednesday, November 24th 2010, 1:25pm

Quoted from "Taro"

What about special unis?
And what about unis that are special only by having different rules?

The GF try to care about special universes. Why "Try" ? Some communites have enough special universes to merge them (like ogame.de/org/fr ....) - Special universes needs special decicsions for every community.
Same for those universes with different rules. At the moment no one can tell a decision.

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Concerning the Target-universes, are they empty universes or old ones in which players already play.

Exodus-Universes : existing empty ones

Target-Universe : existing ones with more player

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Wednesday, November 24th 2010, 2:17pm

Quoted from "Francolino"

Zitat von »The Truth«
Concerning the Target-universes, are they empty universes or old ones in which players already play.

Exodus-Universes : existing empty ones

Target-Universe : existing ones with more player

got it thanks

. However , as I said previously , this gonna' pose some problems. I hope that GF would handle it well

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Wednesday, November 24th 2010, 2:48pm

Quoted from "Francolino"

Target-Universe : existing ones with more player

i don't understand precisely

universe with existing players ? and universe that have the most players ?

in FR, it's universe 1 and galaxy 1 is full !!!

so players who want to go to universe 1 and have a colony in g1 , go g2 ? -_-

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Wednesday, November 24th 2010, 3:50pm

ONLY as example for ogame.fr to show you a possible number ( i don't know your special universes )

Target = Uni 1
Exodus = Uni 2 - 4

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Wednesday, November 24th 2010, 5:10pm

Sorry Francolino but I'm disappointed by such a method !

For me it was evident that target-universes would be empty at the beginning of the process.

Why ?
- to treate EVERY PLAYER in the same manner ! I think it's VERY important ! A universe has its own character and the former players in the target-uni would benefit a lot (too much ! if you prefer) !
- to eliminate all accounts which are "problematic" and which occupy a huge amount of space in any target-uni you could choose.

I know, creating new servers is a hard work to do but I think it's not a real big problem for the GF who creates such server many times a year.

In addition, in the example you give us, where is the choice for the exodus-players, please ?
not to mention the great difficulties for the exodus-players to find some free place in G1 Galaxy in french uni 1 from the beginning of the process !

Thank you in advance for your reply.

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Wednesday, November 24th 2010, 5:12pm

Quoted

ONLY as example for ogame.fr to show you a possible number ( i don't know your special universes )

Target = Uni 1
Exodus = Uni 2 - 4

ok but , if in target universe number 1, galaxy 1 is full by inative and mv, it 's difficult to put colony somewhere unless mv and I are delete

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Wednesday, November 24th 2010, 7:58pm

In first, thanks for merging universes, it's a really good things :thumbsup:

I just want to said that I think it's not the best idea to permit at all users to choose the universe where they merge.
I understand that it's made to the players which have an account in univers 1 and 2 for exemple, but I'm affraid that this things create univers with minors and univers with raider...
Moreover the enemy will be separate, same the alliance, the players of a univers which have a real story...

In the french board a lot of people are a little affraid with this idea

But merging univers it's a good things same if they have this problem

Sorry for my bad english

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Wednesday, November 24th 2010, 8:02pm

This example was an example for example to show you an example.
Depending from the number of universes in a community there are MORE then one Target universe. Please read the news - The GF have do discuss this vor every community. Maybe they they mark 10 unis as "Exodus Unis" and 3 as "Target Unis" from Uni 1 to 13

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Wednesday, November 24th 2010, 10:05pm

My only question about this merger is, what will happened to the inactive players, as they are an important source of income for as well big as small players... I find this is an important issue as there is only so much you can do against the many supposedly now "active" players, and I for have always been a farmer of inactive players to supplement my mine income.

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Wednesday, November 24th 2010, 11:45pm

Hello,
I am very glad to see the merging project finally coming, and I can't wait to see the outcome of it !
As most of the people, I don't understand why you don't simply create totally empty universes as possible targets.
It would "clean" all the accounts that have been in MV or [iI] for ages, and avoid few issues described above (especially regarding the available slots in G1). It would also create universes with a new identity, instead of "invading" an old one.

At last : Many thanks to the GF for communicating more with the community, it is REALLY appreciated.

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Thursday, November 25th 2010, 12:05am

Completely agree with Asterix. If target universes are existing ones, players in that universe get a big advantage: they have built their planets with a strategy (short or long term). Players coming from "exodus" universes will only get remaining free spaces (if there are any, with all accounts that should have been deleted for a long time).

ex: I' im uni 10. I have to move my account to universe 5 (target). All inactive accounts in uni 10 will be deleted/removed, since they don't move (that's good, very good!). How can you have some equity if inactive accounts from uni 5 (target) are not deleted/removed: they are using slots that others would like to get.

Another ex: I have 2 planets in 1:210 (ghosting not too expensive since I'm in the same system, even with my big fleet). Now, if I'm transfered to 1:203 in the target universe, it's OK. But if I have 1 planet in 1:205 and the other in 1:208 (not that far, though), it makes a huge difference.

Another ex: I know that more fleet targets are in G1 or G2. If there are no more slots, I will be located in G3, or even worse in G9... Too bad!

That would be acceptable if and only if I can get the possibility to move my planets (perhaps not all of them, but at least half of them) without paying any DM, at least in the first 2 weeks after transfer.

I would agree that all players are stuck with the same rules (I know that there will be some unhappy users with the unifusion), i.e. target universes are empty at the beginning (same rule for all - first players get their planets as close as possible to their original location - others where there are some slots left). I don't agree if the target universes are existing ones.

PS. I'm kendiraton, well known on the french board to always be against GF's changes

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Thursday, November 25th 2010, 12:36am

Target universes will be renamed after fusion ?

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Thursday, November 25th 2010, 4:50am

GF will merge like they want or will they discuss it with each single community?
PS I mean which universes are good to merge.

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Thursday, November 25th 2010, 8:25am

Exod Unis ---> 1 (ACS), 2 (NO ACS), 3 (NO ACS), 4 (ACS) ---> Target Uni

Is possible? There are unis with ACS and without ACS.
Have the exod unis the same options or no?

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Thursday, November 25th 2010, 1:37pm

Sorry if I didn't read the previous posts, but just to mention something concerning members of the same alliance. They need on their board , when merges will start, to agree about the exodus universe. I don't think that this problem is the main matter of the GF about universes merging.

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Thursday, November 25th 2010, 3:34pm

Quoted from "spa856"

Exod Unis ---> 1 (ACS), 2 (NO ACS), 3 (NO ACS), 4 (ACS) ---> Target Uni

Is possible? There are unis with ACS and without ACS.
Have the exod unis the same options or no?

i would like to know this too, i don't like concept of AKS uni, is there any chance to have Exod Unis without AKS even on another server?

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Thursday, November 25th 2010, 3:47pm

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Exod Unis ---> 1 (ACS), 2 (NO ACS), 3 (NO ACS), 4 (ACS) ---> Target Uni

Is possible? There are unis with ACS and without ACS.
Have the exod unis the same options or no?

This depends on the number universes in a given community and the number of existing special universes with similiar settings.

Usually they merge similiary universes (settings / number of player / ... ). There is only THIS general answer at the moment.

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Thursday, November 25th 2010, 4:56pm

Ok, perfect! Thank you.
Nice news, at this moment.

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Wednesday, December 1st 2010, 5:12pm

No answer to our simple french question :

Quoted

As most of the people, I don't understand why you don't simply create totally empty universes as possible targets.

I think we should have been able to understand why the GF has choosen an other method !
Damage for the communication between us ...
Please, don't forget we are about 200.000 players in France and no one to answer us ! (no CoMa, no GA ...)

Fortunately a french player translated 2 texts I gave him :
- 1 : http://ogameuniverse.de/artikel/589-deta…-unifusion.html
- 2 : Questions & answers about merging universes [only DE at the moment]

So now we have more informations than we had in the official announce.
Since a BA gives us some information.

We continue to doubt about the possibility to put all the active candidates in an old universe not cleaned (i.e. without inactive accounts) but we hope the GF will solve correctly this problem.

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Thursday, December 2nd 2010, 5:05pm

Hello Francolino,

I don't know if you can answer the questions we ask here, but at least you try to "make the link"...
Thanks for that. Many people are reading the translations of what is said here, and then, they share the latest news with their collegues and friends. It creates a real enthousiasm among the community at the moment.

I read that the GF is planning to allow the players to relocate 3 colonies after the merge.
I think this is am excellent idea to balance the fact that some people may have unexpected position changes.

Could you tell us how far we can potentially expect to relocate the planets ?
Ex : I am in 1:250:x, can I expect the possibility to move this colony to 1:450:x, or even 2:250:x ?
Do you know if this tool can also concern the players who are already on the exodus universes ?

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Thursday, December 2nd 2010, 5:59pm

I think: if you are in 1:250:x you can go near not 2:250:x

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Friday, December 3rd 2010, 1:20am

Quoted from "Francolino"

„Sur la suppression de tous les comptes morts : cela revient au même qu'on fasse un nouvel uni ou que l'on prenne un univers-cible. On doit penser que cela signifie que l'on perdrait aussi des cibles potentielles. Cela signifie aussi moins de plaisir potentiel à jouer. Naturellement, les inactifs finissent par ne plus produire et deviennent au final inintéressants, mais il peuvent encore être une ou plusieurs cibles que personne jusque-là n'avait pillées.“

This is not true! with a new universe, there are no dead accounts. A dead account is an inactive account (i.e. inactive for more than 5 weeks - 35 days). A dead account doesn't produce any resource.
If it's not already emptied (resources and/or fleet) after 35 days of inactivity, it means that (i) there is a huge defense, and no rentability for anyone, or (ii) it's an account with nothing left (no interest to fight for nothing). A dead account is NEVER a potential target.

Those dead accounts are using slots that cannot be used by newcomers (newcomer = accounts from exode universes). That should be avoided.

I would accept my planets are moved because another player (from an exodus universe) is coming earlier than me at the same location (that's the rule of the game). I would be very upset if I cannot keep my planet location (e.g. 2 moons in the same solar system) because of a dead account.

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Friday, December 3rd 2010, 1:36am

Quoted from "spa856"

I think: if you are in 1:250:x you can go near not 2:250:x

It depends on the target universe. Some of them may be pretty full with what I call "zombie" accounts (i.e. accounts inactive for more than 35 days, but not deleted because they have bought DM), especially in G1. There are plenty of them in OGame.fr uni 1. That's only an example, but it must be taken into account, if those universes are "target" universes...

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Friday, December 3rd 2010, 3:17am

Hi !

Thanks to the everybody for this previous evolution.

I would like to explain the problem of "zombie accounts". I don't know if it's specific to France but in every old universe, it's quite impossible to merge universes without deleting "dead accounts". Igive you an exemple.

I choose random systems between 1:1 and 1 :100
The red arrows are accounts who are inactive 35 days < . They are not delete because of the AM but are not target because producing no more ressources.

random exemple :

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Ressources sur Colonie X:X:X (joueur 'WhoCares?') le 12-03 03:22:21
Métal: 344 Cristal: 151 Deutérium: 31 Energie: 1.063

Activité

Activité
Activité signifie que le joueur scanné était actif sur la planète au moment du scan ou qu`un autre joueur a eu un contact de flotte avec cette planète à ce moment là.Le scanner des sondes n`a pas détecté d`anomalies atmosphériques sur cette planète. Une activité sur cette planète dans la dernière heure peut quasiment être exclue.
Flottes
Défense
Bâtiment

You can see that in every system,1/3 slots or more are "locked" by useless account who produce nothing and probably never come back to the game.
It's not a special universe or an especially full universe, juste a normal old uni.
How can we merge universe in this case ? There are less than 250 "active players" but the first galaxy is locked by useless accounts.
If we are target-uni, it must be very difficult for newcomers to find a place in the G1 of a desert universe because of "zombie accounts"

Hope you understand this problem who is maybe specific to french community but very problematic for us

(sorry for my poor english

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Friday, December 3rd 2010, 10:19am

Oh dude, you're lucky :O
Zombies in my universe got a few less ressources than in yours

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Ressources sur Mac2 [xx:xx:xx] (joueur 'macophil') le 12-03 10:09:37

Métal: 1 Cristal: 1
Deutérium: 1 Energie: 6.026

Activité
Le scanner des sondes n`a pas détecté d`anomalies atmosphériques sur cette planète. Une activité sur cette planète dans la dernière heure peut quasiment être exclue.

Flottes

Défense
Missile d`interception 1

Bâtiment
Mine de métal 24 Mine de cristal 21
Synthétiseur de deutérium 21 Centrale électrique solaire 24
Centrale électrique de fusion 11 Usine de robots 10
Usine de nanites 1 Chantier spatial 10
Hangar de métal 6 Hangar de cristal 5
Réservoir de deutérium 5 Laboratoire de recherche 10
Terraformeur 1 Silo de missiles 2

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Ressources sur Horus [XX:XX:XX] (joueur 'neuftelecome') le 12-03 10:09:25

Métal: 1 Cristal: 1
Deutérium: 1 Energie: 753

Activité
Le scanner des sondes n`a pas détecté d`anomalies atmosphériques sur cette planète. Une activité sur cette planète dans la dernière heure peut quasiment être exclue.

Flottes

Défense

Bâtiment
Mine de métal 10 Mine de cristal 10
Synthétiseur de deutérium 4 Centrale électrique solaire 12
Usine de robots 3 Chantier spatial 2
Hangar de métal 1 Laboratoire de recherche 1

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Sunday, December 5th 2010, 5:57pm

Can we have more details about "target" universes ?

How much they will be ?
Which universe will become "target" ? and why ?

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Wednesday, December 15th 2010, 11:47am

No answer, no remarks ...

A suggestion from our french board to try to solve the problems given above :

When a planet of an active player is at the same place as a planet of an inactive player (a zombie), just move the planet of the inactive player instead of the planet of the active player !

what do you think of this idea ?

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Wednesday, December 15th 2010, 5:32pm

Quoted from "sedilbur"

Can we have more details about "target" universes ?

How much they will be ?
Which universe will become "target" ? and why ?

Please see here : Questions & answers about merging universes [DE / EN / FR]

There are all known public details.

Quoted from "asterix2"

No answer, no remarks ...

Everyone is busy because of coming christmas, sorry.

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Sunday, January 16th 2011, 6:06am

I look forward to more news on the merger of universes!

I'm just scared because my first account (my love) is in the universe 2 and my current account that is set in a universe 1. With the merger likely will have to choose between one thing I would hate to do. One solution would allow the GA to each community, for example, had the power to evaluate this account and thus transfer it to another universe target!

I think of inactive accounts should also be transferred automatically when the time expires, because they are profitable for those who are active.

I think the GF should devote himself entirely to the merger for it to happen as quickly as possible because the situation is critical on some servers! Cause I'm seeing launch another universe on my server and in some others, and no news of the merger

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Sunday, January 16th 2011, 12:31pm

STRYKER opening a new universe and working on merging universes is 2 different things.

The Ogame devs are working hard on the uninfusion concept, and when there's new information available it'll be posted

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Sunday, January 16th 2011, 2:05pm

I understand, but in my community is that it did not fare too!

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Wednesday, January 19th 2011, 10:55am

AFAIK inactive accounts won't be moved because although they can be a source of raw materials for others they would block coordinates in galaxy for active players. My only concern is about inactive accounts on target universes.

Don't worry STRYKER - there will be more than one target universe so You won't have to choose one account. It was pronounced some time ago.
I'm sure that there are new informations about merging all the time but not in the way users would like - about date or destination servers but more technical issues and workarounds.

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