Moonshots and pushing
This guide will take a look at different scenarios and the stance of the
rules (mostly the pushing rule) towards them and help you to avoid
unnecessary bans.
You can find all other information about moons (moon usage, mechanic of moonshots etc.) in other FAQs and Guides.
Link:
http://board.ogame.org/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=331194
General information:
- A Game Operator needs to be informed only if the lower ranked player intends to transport resources to the higher ranked one.
- All
attacking/transporting (as in trades and returning DF from free
moonshots) must happen within 48 hours. If for some reason there is a
delay, you must contact a GameOperator.
- If
you wish to get a moon via trade, you may be able to find a trading
partner in the trade section of the universe where you play. Don’t
forget to tell the percentage you want to go for (ie 10%, 20% etc.) and
explain what kind of trade it is.
Scenario 1: Moonshot trades
Light Fighters are most commonly used as moonshot fleets. The reason for
that is that they are the easiest to kill with some Cruisers. If you do
not wish to build Cruisers, you can build more defence on your planet
and use Battleships as moonshot fleets. Moderate defence itself can kill
them with acceptable loses. Use a battle simulator to make sure you’re
capable of destroying a moonshot fleet and to determine the optimal
fleet.
Links:
http://websim.speedsim.net/
http://drago-sim.com/index.php?lang=english
a) Moonshot swaps
The most widely used method of getting a moon, moonshots swaps, consist
of two players each crashing a moonshot fleet over the other player's
planet, where they both get to keep the debris fields. The easiest way
is that each player keeps the DF at his planet. A ticket is not required
in this case.
Fleets of both players must have the same value (same metal : crystal :
deuterium ratio), so both players (higher and lower ranked) lose the
fleet of same value (the moonshot fleet) and gain the same amount of
resources (the debris field), therefore there is no pushing concern.
Zitat
Question: What if someone steals the DF on the lower ranked player’s planet?
Answer: Then you have to deal with it.
Noone will get banned for pushing, but to be on the safe side, send a
ticket to the GO to let them know it's been stolen.
In most cases, after a few months of a new universe, or even less in
speed universes, moonshot DF's aren't particularly huge anymore, so you
won't usually have to worry about it. However, it's recommended that you
have recyclers on the planet where you are receiving the moonshot, just
in case.
Zitat
Question: Can I use different ships for a moonshot than my friend in a moonshot swap (ie BSs and LFs)?
Answer: You can, but you have to be careful
as different ships have different values. DF resulted form moonswaps
must be equal if each player is harvesting the df from the attacking
fleet near his/hers planet, if not, the difference must be returned to
the lower player.
Zitat
Question: If I am trading a moonshot with
a higher ranked player, and we decide to harvest the DF above our own
planets, and I need to send an extra couple of LCs for fuel, would the
extra DF be considered pushing?
Answer: The resulted DF must be equal in a
moonswap when each player is harvesting near his/her planet. If there is
a small difference, it must be returned to the lower ranked player.
b) Buying moonshots with resources
When you don’t wish to build Light Fighters, the easiest way to get a
moonshot is by paying someone to crash his moonshot fleet at your
planet.
- Paying someone ranked higher to crash his moonshot fleet at your planet
A Ticket is always required in this case. The
maximum amount of resources you can pay is the exact cost of the moonshot fleet and deuterium cost needed to fly to you.
If you harvest the DF, you have to send back the full value of moonshot fleet.
If the player who’s crashing a moonshot fleet at you harvests the DF,
you have to send back the full value of moonshot fleet minus DF.
Example: A moonshot fleet consisting of 1667 Light fighters will cost
you 5.001.000 metal + 1.667.000 crystal (plus deuterium cost to fly to
you) minus 1.500.000 metal minus 500.000 crystal (amount of resources
you get back in the DF).
- Paying someone ranked lower to crash his moonshot fleet at your planet
The higher ranked player can send the full amount of resources needed
for the moonshot, but it is also acceptable if he sends the bare
minimum, which would be the df, although that would fall under the
category free moonshots, explained later on.
Some players decide to pay for moonshots with one kind of resource, ie.
Deuterium (it’s most common that miners do that as they have a lot of
extra deuterium). This is allowed, however, you have to keep in mind the
official trade rates of your universe.
Scenario 2: Free Moonshots and moonshot accounts
Free Moonshots consist of a player crashing a moonshot fleet over
another player's planet without any compensation for it. Some players
ask friends to play an account just to give them free moonshots; those
accounts are called moonshot accounts and are legal.
Keep in mind that if:
a) A moonshot account is ranked higher than the player who receives free moonshots
Player receiving moonshots or the moonshot account player can keep the
DF. Note that if a player receiving moonshots harvests the DF and want
to send it back to moonshot account, a ticket is required.
b) A moonshot account player is ranked lower than a player who receives free moonshots
Moonshot account player
must keep the DF. It doesn't matter who harvests the DF, as long as it's returned to moonshot account. No ticket is required.
Scenario 3: Sitting moonshot fleets
Leaving a moonshot fleet on a planet to be crashed. There are two different scenarios.
a) Randomly crashing someone’s moonshot fleet
This means that a player randomly probes and finds a moonshot fleet
ready to be crashed. The prober was not previously informed about the
sitting fleet.
If this is the case, the attacker can keep the entire debris field,
regardless of rank. It doesn’t matter if the defender is online; it
doesn’t even matter if he sends you a PM asking you to crash his LFs
anytime
after you probed and saw the sitting fleet.
Note that crashing a moonshot fleet does not count as a valid Hof and mustn't be posted in Hof section.
b) Crashing someone’s moonshot fleet when you were informed about the location and time of a sitting fleet - arranged moonshots
This means that there has been an arrangement – in other words; the
attacker was informed about the location and time when the moonshot
fleet will be prepared to be crashed.
- Attacker is ranked higher than the player who leaves the moonshot fleet sitting
If this is the case, the attacker has to either leave the debris field
for the lower ranked player to harvest and keep, or harvest the debris
field and send it to the lower ranked player. The attacker can keep as
many resources as his losses were. Note that if the defender is
returning the amount of resources attacker lost via attack back to him, a
ticket must be opened. (Ticket is not needed if the attacker harvests
this amount of resources or captures it during attack)
Zitat
Question: Can the attacker keep the amount of resources captured when crashing a moonshot fleet?
Answer: Since the attacker uses some
deuterium to fly to the moonshot fleet (and sometimes loses some ships
during the attack), he can keep as many resources as his losses were.
This means that defender can leave some resources on the planet to pay
back for the losses. Note that the higher ranked player must not profit
out of it, so defender has to be careful about how many resources he can
leave.
Zitat
Question: What if a lower ranked player
informs me that he will have moonshot fleet sitting on one of his
planets sometime in near future?
Answer: free moonshots must be done
respecting the pushing rules . If a higher ranked player finds a
moonshot fleet sitting on a lower ranked player's planet and there is no
prior arrangement , he can attack as in any regular fleet crash. If
there is an arrangement, the pushing rules do apply if he will attack
and he must return harvested DF to the lower ranked player.
Zitat
Question: What if a lower ranked player renames his planet to advertise his moonshot fleet (ie "crash my LFs")?
Answer: In this case it is ok to attack him. Everyone can see the change of planet name, so it's not an arrangement.
- Attacker is ranked lower than the player who leaves the moonshot fleet sitting
In this case, it doesn't matter who keeps the debris field. If the lower
ranked player harvests the debris field and wants to send it back to
the higher ranked player, a ticket is needed. Lower ranked player can
only return the amount of DF generated by the ships from the higher
ranked player (in other words, he must only keep the DF from his lost
ships).
If a lower ranked player loses some ships during the attack, he has to
receive resources in value of at least the amount of DF of his crashed
ships. He can either harvest his share, or have the higher ranked player
return it to him. This is not needed if the attacker captures the
appropriate amount of resources during the attack.
Zitat
Question: What if someone steals the DF? (answer is same for both two points)
Answer: Neither attacker or the owner of a moonshot fleet profits, so there is no pushing concern in case the DF is stolen.
Scenario 4: Crashing Solar Satellites in order to get moonshots after completing Graviton Technology
If you don't have a moon on that planet yet, it's wise to ask someone to
crash your Satellites for a moonshot. 8000 Solar Satellites (about the
average Satellites needed for Graviton) can be killed in about three
weaves of 20% moonchance, which gives you three moonshots. This way you
have some of the resources invested in Graviton Technology returned,
plus you get moonshots.
Since Solar Satellites can’t be moved, the situation is a bit different from sitting moonshot fleets.
A question might arise when the player, who is crashing Satellites, is ranked higher than the player who owns the Satellites.
Zitat
Question: If a lower ranked player, who
is one of the players I normally probe, sends me a PM asking if I can
crash his Satellites, can I keep the DF?
Answer: You can keep as much as you've lost in the attack. If you have any troubles, ask a GO immediately.
Moonshot trade scams: Important information
It has happened before, and will no doubt happen again. To prevent a
situation arising, as with trade scams, you must always make sure the
lower ranked player sends their moonshot fleet before the higher. Also
as with trade scams, be careful of players you don't know, and stick to
those you do know. Ask around, even, as there's certain to be other
players that know them. Remember, if there isn't pushing involved, then
the GameOperator cannot do anything about it.
If you have any doubts over a particular player, just don't trade with them.
A huge thanks to -Kudzu-, Najics and Game Admins, who helped a lot with the guide.
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